Rkonrad wrote:Hi Ivo,
When stretching a star rich image, the stars increase in luminance as well as the main dso. Star shrinking in the end only works so well unless the stars are reasonably in control from the start I find. Here is Blair McDonald's version of the Yahoo group challenge.
https://www.flickr.com/gp/rkonrad/Y4Q6VT. Notice the how small the stars are. He uses Images Plus.
This is my version
https://www.flickr.com/gp/rkonrad/45V206 which I achieved by doing a inverse star mask, then isolate with the air disk radius set at max. This separated the stars from the dso by increasing luminance of the nebula and reducing the stars slightly. It works but its also a lot of work as the stars have to be masked absolutely perfectly for the them to look natural. It also gives a slight blur whether I want it or not.
Hope that's enough info for you. Cheers Richard
Hmmm... it appears Flickr's image storage is down at the time of this writing (no images showing up, getting 502 Bad Gateway server errors).
Instead I went into the Yahoo Group to look for Blair's image and more information on his work flow. I'm still a bit hazy on what you mean by "masked stretching" or how it would be applied to this image? What would masked stretching do in your own words? And why would it be useful in your case?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Blair's workflow seems to just separate stars entirely and just blends them in at a later stage? From the Yahoo Group;
1. Arcsinh stretch
2. Separated stars and nebula
3. Made a starless mask from the nebula layer
4. Restretched the original image using the mask
5. Fixed the stacking artifacts with a lighten combine to keep as much of the image as possible
6. Masked noise reduction
7. General stretch functions n’th root mode
8. Feature mask to split the stars and nebula
9. Tweaked the colour of the nebula
10. Sharpened the nebula layer using multi-resolution sharpen
11. Some manual sharpening using the sharpen brush
12. Upped the saturation of the star layer
13. Recombined the nebula with the stars
14. One pass of star shrink
15. Cropped
16. Binned by two
17. Set black point with levels
This technique can just as well be accomplished with StarTools (using Heal module and Layer module); create Star Mask, Heal, Launch Layer module, Undo->Foreground, select Brightness Mask Mode 'Where Composite is dark, use background', then play with the Brightness Mask Power.
You can also use the Life module's Isolate preset in a subtly different way. As you know it's great for pushing back busy star fields. So let's enhance that behaviour!
Try the following (after Color calibration, so you can better see how the following technique will be affecting star halos)
Life Isolate preset without mask, Keep
Layer, Undo > Bg,
Mask -> Auto, Fat Stars, Do, Grow x2 or x3 (to cover the halos), Keep
Back in Layer module you will now get the "pushed back stars" with the original nebulosity.
You can "overdrive" the effect as well; increase "Blend amount" beyond 100% (gaps will form) and enhance increase "Mask Fuzz" to make the blend smooth again.
You can further experiment with Brightness-dependent masking, for example setting Brightness Mask Mode to "Where composite is light, use bg" and playing with the Brightness Mask Power in conjunction with the Mask Fuzz. Finally, you can repeat this whole process after 'Keeping' the result from the Layer module doing another iteration with the Life Isolate preset, etc.
It's interesting not many people seem to care about the coloring on the DSLR group, which is a shame. It is clear this dataset has been shot with some sort of filter, so any attempts at recovering "visually accurate" coloring wouldn't be very fruitful. However, it is really easy to show the different types of light/emission (and variations in star temperatures) that were recorded and made it through the filter. The area is strong in Ha emissions, but also OIII emissions. (see also
http://www.astronomersdoitinthedark.com ... =151&p=520). Trying to shoehorn everything into the red channel in the futile pursuit of trying to establish "visually correct coloring", even though OIII firmly belongs in the green channel is a shame IMHO. OIII emissions (green) are readily visible in this dataset - StarTools' default Color calibration teases its out nicely;
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Hope this helps!
